Igniting Imagination - The Five Adaptive Muscles

This season, we are sharing conversations about the five adaptive muscles the church must strengthen to be fit, agile, and ready for God’s now. We believe every movement for change starts with conversation. We hope the conversations in these episodes might invite you into new perspectives and possibilities, inspire you with an idea, give you insight about your next faithful step…and further equip you to engage in the conversations in your context that can lead to deep change.

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The Latest Episode

December 16, 2021

Expanding Imagination

In this conversation, Amy connects imagination with the life and ministry of Jesus and the work of the early church. She invites us to see curiosity as a spiritual practice so we can have the discipline to explore what God might be imagining...

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Episode Quotes

I think we have assumed that people only learn if we're teaching. I think we can talk about grieving. I think we can model grieving. I think we can encourage people to read things that help us learn to set the table for other people to grieve...grieving has got to be as unique to the individual.
– Suzanne Stabile
Episode 2
The other thing that helps people feel more rooted is having a sense of purpose about even the now. So even in this place of chaos, confusion, and unknowing, we can have a sense of clarity about who we are. These are the core values that have always marked who we are. And they're still true for us right now. And this is how we sense God pulling us through this time and into the next.
– Susan Beaumont
Episode 3
John and Charles, they're saying there is no religion, but social religion, and there's no holiness, but social holiness. And what they mean by that is certainly the value of community. So you cannot be a Christian by yourself. I think most of us were told this...but what the Wesleys, what John is especially doing...he says, you also can not be a Christian without other people who you might not otherwise notice. So this is not just about the church being in the community, but it is about the church being in community with the world.
– Joerg Rieger
Episode 5

Meet the Musician Who Makes the Podcast Come Alive!


Mark Miller


Mark Miller has a passion for building community through music and believes that everyone is a Child of God. He also adheres to Cornel West’s belief that “Justice is what love looks like in public.” Mark is Associate Professor of Church Music, Director of Chapel, and Composer In Residence at Drew University in Madison NJ, and is a Lecturer in Sacred Music at Yale University. He is also the Minister of Music of Christ Church in Summit, New Jersey.


Previous Episodes

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December 09, 2021

Distributing Power

The fourth muscle is Distributing Power. Join Joerg Rieger as he reminds us that distributed power is at the heart of Jesus’ ministry and the ministry of John Wesley and the people called Methodists.

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December 02, 2021

Walking Alongside

The third of five muscles the church needs to strengthen in order to be fit, agile, and ready for God’s now is Walking Alongside. In this conversation, Coté Soerens beautifully and powerfully offers a picture of what it means to walk alongside.

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November 18, 2021

Discerning Purpose

The second muscle is Discerning Purpose. Susan Beaumont is well known for her groundbreaking work in organizational leadership dynamics. In this conversation, Susan reflects on the difference between discernment and decision-making.

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November 11, 2021

Grieving Well

The first of five muscles is Grieving Well. Suzanne Stabile, a well-known expert on the Enneagram, offers remarkable insights about grief and what grieving well looks like for congregations and communities.

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November 04, 2021

The Five Adaptive Muscles

The “Five Muscles” are Grieving Well, Discerning Purpose, Walking Alongside / Neighboring, Distributing Power, and Expanding Imagination. In this episode, our hosts give an overview of each of the five muscles.

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October 29, 2021

Igniting Imagination Season 3 Trailer

This season, we are sharing conversations about the five adaptive muscles the church must strengthen to be fit, agile, and ready for God’s now.

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